Looks like @CambsCC are unaware of @gccitydeal plan for double yellows & cycle lanes here https://t.co/hZI9OGUUPV pic.twitter.com/Nhj5ggTEPV
— Richard Taylor (@RTaylorUK) April 13, 2016
Plans have been submitted to councillors at Cambridge City Council for the demolition of the existing Mermaid Chinese Takeaway / Chip Shop at 207 Green End Road and its replacement with two takeaways and eight flats.
I have responded to the planning consultation:
I note the County Council’s consultation response as the highways authority states:
“The existing use within the site includes a takeaway use and no parking restrictions have been introduced on the frontage and so I do not consider that addition severe detriment resultant from this proposal could be demonstrated.”
It appears perhaps the County Council are unaware of the Greater Cambridge City Deal’s proposals for double yellow lines and at least 1.5m of cycleway on the road adjacent to this proposed development.
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/citydeal/info/2/transport/1/transport_projects_and_consultations/3
http://www.cambridgeshire.gov.uk/citydeal/download/downloads/id/117/evergreens_to_water_lane.pdf
Currently there is a lot of parking on the road, the pavement, and part on the pavement part on the road, associated with the one existing takeaway on the site which creates hazards particularly for pedestrians and cyclists.
Plan to demolish chip shop/Chinese on Green End Rd to be replaced with 2 takeaways & 8 flats https://t.co/nFg2TtF3XM pic.twitter.com/tHDb6QqHZx
— Richard Taylor (@RTaylorUK) April 13, 2016
I think the Greater Cambridge City Deal’s plans to make this area safer for walking and cycling should be considered. The City Deal’s aims are to:
- Provide residents with better walking and cycling links to schools and employment centres
- Help reduce congestion, which in turn improves air quality, road safety and health
- Benefit local residents, motorists, cyclists and pedestrians
- Support areas of growth in the City
- Fill gaps in the existing cycling network
Green End Road at this location is a key cycling and pedestrian link in the city; linking the off road / low traffic riverside routes to residential areas of North Cambridge, the new railway station and the employment centres of the Science and Business parks.
I suggest considering the proposals in light of this context, and note policy
8/2 “Transport Impact” states “developments will only be permitted where they do not have an unacceptable transport impact”; I think there is a risk this development will have an unacceptable transport impact and would like to see councillors determine if they think it would.I can envisage that through alterations to the plans, and the highway, parking arrangements could be provided enabling a takeaway to operate at this site without an unacceptable transport impact.
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Richard Taylor
Cambridge
http://www.rtaylor.co.uk
26 responses to “Takeaways and New Flats on Green End Road”
I made a response to the City Deal’s consultation on cycle routes in this area. I’ve not yet published it.
It was just a quick note, but I take the view its better to do something rather than nothing.
See also:
Would picking up a takeaway count as loading and so be permissible on the double yellow lines?
Would it matter if the food was pre-ordered or not?
The application has been withdrawn.
Councillors should ensure those who have commented are informed about any new applications. That isn’t current practice though.
There do not appear to be any current applications for the properties.
There is now a new application. The council has written to me to let me know about it.
It’s still for two takeaways and eight flats.
I wonder about the fire safety aspect of living above a chip shop.
Hi Richard
You are doing sterling work, keep it up. With regard to your poor experience of using the police 101 reporting service, I assume you are aware of the ability to report careless anti-social driving online via https://www.contactcambspolice.uk/Report/AcDriving.aspx
I have done this and didn’t at the time note the ‘small print’ that:
‘ We are unable to accept uploads of video recordings at this time, but we ask you to make us aware if you have any footage as it may be useful in the event of prosecution. If you have footage and have told us about it, you will be contacted and we will discuss this with you in more detail. In general, evidence of provocation or disproportionate reaction will mean that no action is taken.’
In particular, the last sentence I find disturbing in relation to my experience of reporting on-line. I reported a driver of a Blue Mercedes SUV, who, in my view, deliberately drove at me and another rider out on a Sunday morning ride. We were heading North on Horningsea Rd out of Fen Ditton, through the traffic calmed ‘chicane’ area. I do not use the ‘cycle path’ here as it is simply a footpath with blue signs. I do join the cycle path further up if I have motor vehicles behind me as further up it is sufficiently wide and constructed to be suitable for riding safely. On this morning, our decision not to use it where inadequate was validated by the couple walking their two dogs on it as we cycled by.
However, the driver of the SUV apparently took a dislike to us being in the road, despite our travelling at 22mph, single file in a traffic calmed area with a top limit of 30mph and drove very close sounding his horn. He then stopped and shouted at us to ‘get on the cyclepath’ we didn’t stop, so he passed us again, this time accelerating and passing even closer.
I reported it, and after the respondent from the 101 service replying by email explaining that there is nothing they can do but log it as I have no video evidence (in itself this seems slightly contrary to the statement on the website above), they also said ‘whilst we do not condone the behaviour of the driver, you should use cycle lanes where provided).
I pointed out in reply that we do not have to use the cycle paths, particularly where, as in this case, they are inadequate. I did wonder to them whether my reference to a ‘cycle lane’ had confused them and they thought it was an on-road facility there which i was outside. I pointed this out and that I would of course have been in any on-road facility, providing it was the safest place to be. I also pointed out that it’s unhelpful from the police to be of the same misapprehension as the driver who drove at us. Such drivers feeling entitled to do so as they falsely believe we should be in the cycle lane. And perhaps they could clarify their advice? This was over two weeks ago, no response.
I have since gathered from other local cyclists that this is a-typical of the Cambridgeshire police and their attitude to cycling safety. I am now wondering whether their definition of ‘provocation’ includes cyclists riding on the road when there are ‘cycling facilities’ provided, no matter the adequacy and safety of such ‘facilities’.
I am also concerned that, in the supposed cycling capital of the UK, certainly a place where the most people cycle, that the police have not adopted the West Midland Police ‘close pass initiative’ that many other forces are now adopting. I wonder whether their lack of action is indicative of their attitude towards cyclists. They are certainly not doing enough to protect us from aggressive and careless drivers.
What are your thoughts on this? What do you think we can do to put pressure on the Cambs Constabulary to rethink their attitudes and policies towards cyclists in Cambridge?
Many thanks
Howard
Elections for Police and Crime Commissioners are the big opportunity to influence police policy now; but there is an opportunity also for local councillors to influence, or even set, local priorities. When elections come up, make matters an issue by questioning the candidates on them.
Obtaining, and extracting, evidence of a problem is also key. Perhaps Freedom of Information requests to extract, for example the number and types of reports already being made to the police could be useful; such FOI requests can be made in public via WhatDoTheyKnow.com.
The new application is before councillors on the 30th of November 2016:
http://democracy.cambridge.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=181&MId=2988
The report doesn’t mention the Greater Cambridge City Deal plans for double yellow lines and a cycle lane; the report merely states:
http://democracy.cambridge.gov.uk/documents/s36915/161413FUL%20-%20Report.pdf
Perhaps the Greater Cambridge City Deal should become statutory consultees on relevant planning applications.
Thankfully the application has been refused according to the decision notice at:
https://idox.cambridge.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OB2BE3DXMWQ00
The officer report is deficient in that the issue of the proposed cycle infrastructure is noted, but it isn’t considered in the text.
http://democracy.cambridge.gov.uk/documents/s36915/161413FUL%20-%20Report.pdf
states:
7.3 The representations can be summarised as follows:
Objections
[…]
City Deal proposes double yellow lines and cycle lanes to this
part of Green End Road for safety
[…]
but there is no discussion of this in the text. The officer has simply forgotten about it, as far as I can see.
The cycleway and double yellow line proposals are not mentioned in the highway safety part of the report, or anywhere else other than in the summary of comments on the application.
CamCycle have written to the council to ask why consideration wasn’t given to the proposed double yellow lines and cycle lanes (and their impact on parking and road safety). The letter is available via the online planning file
There were two similar applications here
16/1413/FUL was considered by the committee and refused.
16/0455/FUL was the application I and others, including apparently a council cycling officer had commented on. It’s not clear if the comments were carried forward from the original application to its replacement. Two consultations are referred to but it appears they both relate to the second application. Councillors usually fail to carry forward relevant comments from one application to another so resubmitting an application can result in comments being ignored. I suggested the public shouldn’t have to repeatedly make the same points in response to consultations when I replied to councillors’ consultation on consultation.
The council’s cycling officer appears, like me, to only have objected to the first application:
However one commenter, from 18 Bourne Road, Cambridge did respond to both applications, writing in respect of the latter:
The reasons for the rejection relate to scale and massing, and bins; so if another similar application on the site returns to the committee I suspect councillors will feel bound by those reasons and will be unwilling to consider other reasons for refusal such as road safety impact.
I made the suggestion that Cambridge City Councillors should consult both Cambridgeshire County Council and the Greater Cambridge City Deal Board when they are seeking views on the highways impact of planning applications, noting the fact the County Council didn’t mention the City Deal plans in this case.
Direct link to the exchange:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7ChPQUzVYw&t=62m20s
County Cllr Manning suggested the committee seek clarification on if the City Council is able to ask the City Deal to comment on planning matters; and the chair appeared to accept that as an action to follow up.
Cambridge City Council have refused the application and the applicants have appealed to the Secretary of State:
https://acp.planninginspectorate.gov.uk/ViewCase.aspx?CaseID=3166218&CoID=0
I have responded to a consultation, (see this City Deal webpage for details), on a proposed traffic regulation order – which allows parking in the new cycle lanes outside the takeaway:
My submission has been acknowledged, the officer providing the acknowledgement appears unsure of who will take the final decision on the double yellow lines; notably their email footer says the email just contains the officer’s individual views and not those of the council. (Generally I don’t give such footers much weight, I assume they’re often automatically applied without due consideration of their relevance)
I’m confident nothing in the email does in-fact have the potential to be confidential.
The officer response to my comments has been published in a report which will go to the Greater Cambridge Partnership board and assembly:
Officers at the City Deal organisation are recommending councillors allow parking for up to two hours outside the shops.
The report is on the agenda to the 19 July Greater Cambridge Partnership Assembly, which will later go to the board.
The relevant section states:
I think the report is a little unclear where it states:
as what it means is unrestricted parking is to be allowed at those times (up to 8am the next morning), and outside of them – 8am to 6pm Monday to Saturday parking will also be allowed, but only for up to two hours. It’s clear enough if you read it all carefully I suppose.
I suspect it would have helped board members if the proposed orders were reproduced in the report.
The consultation responses objecting to parking in the cycle lanes have been responded to with the following statement:
Those joining me objecting to allowing parking in the cycle lanes stated:
There has been another planning application on this site. Ref 17/1023/FUL.
I have submitted the following comment:
I made a further submission having seen a comment on Twitter:
Cllr Abbott has already requested the application be considered by the planning committee.
At the 22nd of June North Area Committee I received a response to my suggestion that the Greater Cambridge City Deal / Partnership respond to relevant planning consultations, and be pro-actively consulted. The response was:
Cllr Todd-Jones added: “I don’t think we need to say any more, that’s what we do, it can be taken off the list”.
The Greater Cambridgeshire Partnership was neither consulted, nor has it yet protectively submitted a consultation response on the application being discussed in this thread.
As I understand it, there are specific people they have in mind when allowing the car parking here. People who can’t get to the shops any other way because of mobility issues, so why put a bike lane in at all? I don’t get that.
On that, if these people do need car parking, then why not make it disabled only bays? It sounds to me what’s proposed is a free for all. An explanation for Ian Manning’s and Peter Sarris’s intervention would be much appreciated. Is what I’ve said correct or not? And if not, what is going on? At the moment I feel the bike lane should be taken out entirely for the sake of bike users who will get no benefit from it at all.
A huge number of Tweets followed the Greater Cambridge Partnership’s decision to support parking in the new cycle lane outside the takeaway on Green End Road:
Hopefully some of the tweeted comments might become public questions put to the board of the Greater Cambridge City Deal organisation, the Greater Cambridge Partnership, when they consider the matter on the 26th of July 2017.
My comments are already in the board papers; it appears reporting of the Greater Cambridge Partnership Assembly’s support for the parking in the cycle lane has prompted more interest in the matter.
On Wednesday the 30th of August 2017 councillors approved the plans for two food takeaways (A5 use) and 7no. flats following demolition of existing buildings.
https://democracy.cambridge.gov.uk/documents/s39775/170830%20Minors.pdf
I reported on the Greater Cambridge board’s decision to allow parking in the cycleways: